Thanks for joining us again for another video about firestop submittals. Today we are going to touch on a few more things that people often get wrong when pairing the field conditions with the paperwork. Check out the video here and as always if you have any questions please reach out to us here.
We have another video for you today. I gave it a bad title because the reality is, all the information is important, it’s just that most people scan through and miss a lot of valuable information.
If you followed the series on shaft walls you may see where I am coming from. You will have a better idea of what I mean once you see this new video. If you want more information on point contact and annular space you can check out this blog, or point contact, or defining a bead of sealant required at point contact.
After a field walk with a firestop contractor a few months ago I realized that I need to share some information with you about some common mistakes people make when looking at the firestop nomenclature. This video is just the start, we will have a follow up to it as this series progresses. The video today can be seen here. Please let us know what you think of it or how we can help you on your project here.
Welcome back. Now that you have a better understanding of how to work your way around a firestop submittal, I want to issue a challenge to you. Check it out in this video here.
We are at the start of what might be a 9 part video series that is designed to help you use your firestop submittals to get better quality firestop installations on your projects. The last two videos went over the ABC’s and 123’s. This one is a simple review to see if you can put it to use. Check out the video here and let us know what you think of it here.
Not long ago I shared a video with you that showed how much faster a fire burns with todays modern furnishings. This video shows the impact not on just a single room, but rather the entire structure.
Both videos are a horrifying reminder of the importance of practicing fire drills at home and at work. If you are in the construction industry this should be a stark reminder of how important it is to get your life safety scope right, every time.
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In our last video we started our discussion about UL nomenclature. This video will finish off the discussion of the nomenclature and the next two will talk about how to put this new information to use on your projects. For now, check out this second discussion and let us know what you think!
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If you are an architect, a builder, an engineer or an inspector, if you have the responsibility to review firestops submittals, this series of videos will help you. We will break down the UL nomenclature and talk about how to use this new information effectively. Here is the first in this new series.
Let us know what you think, what topics we should cover or any questions you may have.
Firestop has enough things to get technical about from annual space, various types of penetrations, solutions and what not. You may know about the 4 ratings firestop can have- F, T, W and L. This blog post will be focusing on the L ratings. have a read and let me know what you think. If you have questions don’t hesitate to reach out to me, or your favorite firestop company for answers. Check out this blog post here.
How did you do with the questions? Hopefully, they made you think a little about this firestop detail, the product, the various field conditions you might encounter and firestop details in general. Let me start by saying the answer to every single question is NOPE! Even question 2 and 7.
Let’s take another look at the questions as we provide the answers.
If you want to review the product cut sheet is here
Question 1: My field condition has a sleeve in a block wall. I can still use this detail because the firestop device is a sleeve, right?
No. The tested and listed detail (WJ2274) did not allow for a sleeve or say that a sleeve was optional. That means that if there is a sleeve in your field condition you have to get a different detail. Maybe one exists, but if it is not in the submittal package it doesn’t count for this project.
Question 2: What kind of anchors do I need to use to secure this to the wall?
You don’t need any anchors, that is one of the selling features of this new product.
Question 3: My field condition is using Aquatherm SDR 11. It’s the same brand, so I can still use this, right?
It may be the same brand, but this detail calls for blue and Aquatherm SDR 11 is green. Blue is not green so you cannot use this detail with green pipe.
Question 4: The sleeve I am using is 10” long and I don’t want to see it on the occupied side. Is it okay to push it in flush with the outside of the wall?
The last line in 3A before listing the product says that the device shall be centered within the wall and extend equally beyond each surface of the wall.
Question 5: We are using brand X firestop sealant and we don’t want to have another sealant on site to confuse people with, so its okay if we use brand X firestop with this new sleeve thing, right?
Sure, go ahead and use brand X .BUT know that you are installing a detail that is non-conformant and you are accepting all liability if this installation should fail. In other words, NO you can’t, unless you can get documentation to support this and that is not likely.
Question 6: The aquatherm pipe is insulated but I got sleeves that are big enough to go around the outside of the insulation so this is fine, right?
There are details for insulated PP pipes, but this is not one of them. The interesting thing is, that if you need an insulated pipe you look in the 5000 series details. When you do this, some of the insulated plastic pipes can be found here. Alternately some of the can be found in the 2000 series detail. It is an odd thing, but at the moment this is the way the details are laid out.
Question 7: I am using 3” Aquatherm green. My hole is 5” and my pipe is centered in the wall with the same annular space all the way around. Can I still use this detail and this product?
The chart shows you that the 3” pipe has an OD of 90 mm (which is 3.543 inches- thank you Google unit converter) That means that the annular space of our perfectly centered pipe will be .73” all the way around. The detail manufacturers installation instruction require a minimum ¼” annular space (see installation date item 7). We have that covered no problem. The detail allows for a maximum annular space of 7/8” which is .875. With a 5” opening, 3.54 OD of the pipe, leaves 1.46 around the pipe but its centered so we takehalf of that which is .73. We are allowed 7/8” annular space and .875 is less than .73 so….HA..this one is right.. Sharron was wrong…we can use this detail…except that, as we went though all of this math we forgot one little thing.
Take a second look at 2A.
2 A. Polypropylene (PP-R) Pipe – Nom 6 in dia…. It does not say maximum 6 in dia. If it did say max then you would be fine and you could use this detail. However this detail is only for use with a 6” pipe and only the type and brand of pipe listed.
If you are thinking this is a trick question its not. It is something that is easily overlooked and I wanted to point out how quickly a contractor may be able to convince you that this system is okay. I also wanted to remind you that you have to take a closer look.
Remember we are talking about shaft walls. These are integral to the life safety of the building. HLS is here to help those who want to get it right. To quote the wonderful Dr. Maya Angelou “Do the best you can, until you know better. Then when you know better, do better. “ You may have missed this, or other things we have blogged about on past projects. There is nothing I can do to help you with that, but I certainly can help make sure you get it right from here on out.
If you want us to walk a site with you (in the NY/NJ area) so you can see what you might do better, give us a call.